Follow-up of Ruling of the 'Ulama on Staying Away from the People of Desires

[Maher.ibn.Ahmad.Attiyeh]

Bismillaah Al-Hamdulillaah wa salatu wa salaamu 'ala rasulullaah
Amma-ba'd

The Consensus (Ijma') of the Scholars in Warning & Boycotting The People of Desires and Bid'ah

What follows are notes from Abu Uwais' beneficial class The Consensus of the Scholars in Warning & Boycotting The People of Desires and Bid'ah

Abu Uwais (rahimahullaah) began by removing a misconception that he observed from people concerning the word Ijma' (consensus). He observed that people were misunderstanding the word ijma' to mean something was not obligatory, i.e. something optional. And this wrong!

He explained that the maqsood (objective) of the word Ijma' is sabeel ul-Mu`mineen (way of the believers [the way of the companions]), and he brought the proof from ayah 115 of Soorat an-Nisa`:

Allaah said (what means): And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad, (salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam)) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination. (An-Nisa, ayah 115)

This is a principle of the Deen. And the tremendous wisdom behind it is: preservation of the Deen, and to protect an individual from that which would displease his Lord and lead him astray.

For every bid'ah is dalaala (misguidance), and every dalaala (misguidance) is in the hellfire. This is a legislated means to achieve the end:
1- Hifdh (preservation) of the Deen
2- protecting one's belief from corruption

People (deviants, people of bid'ah) try to get around this principle, but you can't get around it.

Ijma' is a legislated proof, absolute. It is Haram to go against it!

Allaah said (what means): And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad, (salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam)) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination. (An-Nisa, ayah 115)

Then Abu Uwais made another important clarification that da'wah comes first - establishing the proofs comes first - then the boycotting, if they refuse. Like Shaikh Rabee' (bin Hadee al-Madkhalee, hafidhahullaah) said: "All you know is Hajr, Hajr, Hajr!" No. Da'wah precedes it. And of course, we make a distinction between the Innovator who calls and the bid'i, blind-follower.

Abu Uwais also brought statements of scholars, who said: Do not sit with Ahlul Bid'ah.

Abu Uwais refuted and rebuked the doubt "I gotta listen to both sides*."**

The people of bid'ah have no sides. It's just bid'ah! Next thing that's gonna happen is that (doubt or disease) is going to fall into your heart.

Showing the harms of debating Ahlul Bid'ah and what it leads to, Imam Lalika`ee (rahimahullah) said: No crime has been commited against the Muslims greater than debating the Innovator. They didn't use to have any type of power, and they used to be more humiliated when Ahlus-Sunnah used to leave them, not talk to them, not give them importance.

[Abu Uwais explained: when you debate, you're putting someone on the same level as yourself. You're saying, ok, you sit here and I sit here, and we discuss the issue. You start off on the same level when in fact you're upon the Sunnah (adhering to revelation), and this man is upon bid'ah (opinions, desires in opposition to revelation). And those upon bid'ah are those who are to be humiliated, put down; they are the small ones, they are the ones to be avoided, and rejected and turned away from. But when you put them on the level of debate, you remove that from them, so that's what he was saying.]

So when they [Ahlul Bid'ah] used to die, they use to die in anger; they didn't have a way to show their bid'ah. Imam Ahmad didn't debate them. No one gave them a platform (saying), "we're going to debate the issue."

Until those who are deluded came and they opened for them this method (saying,) "we can debate." They became people who led to the (attempted) destruction of Islaam until great arguments and debates. Then their da'wah became apparent to the people under the title "debate," or what they call "conversation," whereas before the people didn't even know what they were talking about.

Abu Uwais said: Everybody wants to talk about it. We don't need to talk about it; you're upon bid'ah, dalaala. No need to talk about it. As Imam Lalika`ee said: then they [Ahlul Bid'ah] were able to spread their message to those who didn't use to hear it. The specific and general people. Until Shubh (doubts) were mixed with Hujjaj (proofs, evidences). They were presented until they were on the same par. This is one of the worst things that happened, and one of the (most desirable) things for Ahlul Bid'ah.

Source: Tape: The Consensus of the Scholars in Warning & Boycotting The People of Desires and Bid'ah, tape 16
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* So when the rebuked Shadeed Muhammad (may Allaah rectify his affairs) was giving khutbas even after the 'ulemma refuted him and his doubts, and told him he is "not fit for da'wah," to instead seek knowledge, and advised the rest of us not to listen to him, some said this same exact statement, "I gotta listen to both sides." Allaahul Musta'aan!

This was less than a year ago, well before the Masjid Rahmah fitnah. Some listened to Shadeed's poison - even though they were advised by the scholars of the Sunnah not to, in accordance with the Qur`an and Sunnah - and of course the doubts fell into the hearts of these listeners, they became confused, made alliances based upon emotion instead of the truth, and now they're supporting Shadeed Muhammad who is attacking Allaah's religion.

** [This is the cousinly doubt of the deceptive and invented principle Koodh Wa A'tee "You must give and take," that people of bid'ah and desires use today to ignite a debate in order to set up a platform from which to spread their poison. So when this invented principle is said to a Salafee, it means, "okay, I heard you quote the Qur`an and Sunnah, but now you must listen to my side." Aoodhubillaah!

Allaah, 'Azza wa Jall, said in the Qur`an: So after the truth, what else can there be, save error? How then are you turned away? (Yunus, ayah 32) Ayaat from the Qur`an and ahadeeth from the Sunnah were relayed to them - upon the correct understanding of the Salaf of this Ummah. What is after the truth except misguidance? As Abu Uwais (rahimahullaah) said: The people of bid'ah have no sides.

And Allaah's Messenger (salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: I did not leave anything that brings you closer to Allaah and distance you from the fire except I have commanded you with it. And I did not leave anything that will distance you from Allaah and bring you closer to the fire except that I have prohibited you from it.

Thus, if there was any good in what they were saying, it would be in the Qur`an or Sunnah, and thus the Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and the sahaaba (radiallaahu 'anhum) would have preceded us in it. And since Allaah, Al-Haqq, does not contradict himself, there would be no need to listen to their side. Allaah said in His Noble Book (what means): Do they not then consider the Qur`an carefully? Had it been from other than Allaah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction. (An-Nisa`, ayah 82)]