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  1. #21

    Tahir Farooq, Shaykh Waseeullaah and the "Other Mashaayikh"

    In the email we cited earlier from Tahir Farooq, an instrumental player in this agenda, he alluded to "other Mashayikh" who have apparently advised them. They have already claimed that Shaykh Waseeullaah is their main reference point with whom they are maintaining close contact, as per their own statements:

    From: Tahir Farooq <>
    Subject: Re: Notice
    Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 10:17 PM

    May Allah preserve you. I don't know if you are aware, we are in close contact with Shaykh Wasiullah and he has (along with other mashayakh) clearly mentioned the permissibility of using Canadian legal system to remove these individuals.
    In another email Tahir Faruq writes:

    From: Tahir Farooq <>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: reduced names and job description
    Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 8:26 PM

    ...Translation of the exact document that was shown to you has been shown to more than 5 scholars including major scholars...
    Here Tahir Farooq reveals that they have approached other scholars and that a translation of the document they were using has been shown to more than 5 scholars, including major scholars. This raises some questions, and we are assuming that Tahir Farooq is truthful in what he has said, the onus is upon him.

    • The first question raised is who are these "more than" 5 scholars. Please name them one by one, and everyone has a right to know who are these "more than" 5 scholars who apparently and allegedly support or sanction your activities. Please mention them and quote their advice or fatwa verbatim if you claim your actions are supported by them. Shaykh Waseeullaah, as per Tahir Faruq's claim, is their main reference point who is allegedly giving them practical advice according to their own statements, but who are these other Scholars who apparently sanction these actions?

    • The next question raised is that if there are "more than" 5 scholars, and some of them major scholars, then who is providing tactical and higher level support for this group (Tahir Farooq, Harun Cole and associates) by going to "more than" 5 scholars on their behalf. That takes time and effort as anyone knows when you try to approach Scholars, especially when you have issues like this. It appears there is a wider network of people who are facilitating things for these people on the ground level by approaching scholars on their behalf.

    • When these Scholars (if we assume there are "more than" 5 scholars) allegedly permitted "using the Canadian legal system to remove these individuals" did they mean: Employ paper and electronic filing fraud, use false witness (al-qawl az-zoor), attempt to gain access to the building through cunning and deception (by trying to confiscate the keys off those entrusted with them), attempt to steal the assets and so on? Alhamdulillaah, the center and masjid have been running in compliance with all legal requirements and it would not be possible for them to take any legal steps or measures in order to remove anyone. That is why paper fraud, electronic filing fraud, deception and lies have been employed. If the truth was with them and their claims were correct, they would have had enough claims and grounds, with all the evidence, to use normal legal procedures in order to remove those guilty of any wrongdoing. But that is a clear dead end, and they knew that well.

    Assuming Tahir Farooq is truthful in this claim, this strongly indicates that there is a wider network of people involved and it is likely that there are people from Yemen and Madeenah (and elsewhere) who have connection to this fitnah in one way or another and are lending support to it within their own respective capacities.

  2. #22

    From Claiming Rectification to Paper-Fraud, False Witness and Misappropriation to Wanting Mediation and Rectification - Manifesting the Traits of the Hypocrites

    It is possible for a Muslim to possess and display characteristics which are those of the Hypocrites (Munafiqun) whilst still retaining his faith and not exit Islam. There are numerous hadeeths on this topic, "There are three traits, whoever possesses them is a hypocrite..." etc. There are brief works written which outline all of the traits of the hypocrites identified in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. From the greatest of them is what occurs at the beginning of Surah al-Baqarah:

    وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِي الأَرْضِ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ

    And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."
    (Al-Baqarah 2:11)

    When Harun Cole and his group started approaching the various du'at (June and July) as part of their propaganda campaign, they did not reveal their true and real intentions and what they had already planned in the background in the month(s) before (see further below). They claimed rectification. From all of the evidence that we have presented so far and also from all of the other evidence we simply have not had time to post on this thread, we can very broadly explain what was taking place:

    • There are from the main ringleaders of this group who are upon the way and manhaj of Madeenah.Com, and these people have been exposed and refuted by Shaykh Muhammad bin Haadee, Shaykh Ubayd al-Jabiree, Shaykh Rabee bin Haadee, Shaykh Ahmad Suba'yee, Shaykh Falaah Ismaa'eel and others. This manhaj has been explained and illustrated very well by Makatbah Salafiyyah in their serious of articles:

      This manhaj is illustrated in the actions of people like Tahir Wyatt, Zahid Rashid, and many of the writers and contributors to Madeenah.Com whose cooperation with the hizbiyyeen and support of them against the Salafis is well documented, alongside their attempts to undermine Salafis who call to clarity in manhaj and implementation of walaa and baraa for the Salafi manhaj, and Shaykh Rabee pointed out this evil trait, as we mentioned in post #17. We have absolutely no doubt that if this group had been successful in their treacherous plot, there would be cooperation with Masjid Khalid bin Walid (Ikhwani) and other mosques run by the hizbiyyeen. People like Tahir Faruq consider these masaajid to be masaajid established upon Salafiyyah and claim that there are tens of thousands of Salafis in Toronto. In his statement in an email dated Thursday, April 7, 2011 4:09:22 PM he had a problem towards not including "tens of thousands of general ignorant people" (his words) amongst the Salafis, and he tried to fight and argue this issue with us, and we explained that a Salafi is one who knows, understands and acts upon Salafiyyah in his da'wah and mu'aamalah and walaa and baraa and this is what we have learned from the Scholars, and mere claims and associations do not mean anything. But with this type of perception these people have, all doors of cooperation with the people of Hizbiyyah (who make a claim to being Salafi) are considered open and you then get the same Madeenah.Com type of manhaj in da'wah. You would also see Toronto representatives of Madeenah.Com on the scene (two of them are listed as signatories on the document used by this group), and you would start seeing an altogether different da'wah to the one that the community has benefited from in the past 10 years, which is a da'wah of clarity, not one of merely increasing numbers through a vague, wishy-washy type of Salafiyyah. Members of this group behind this recent takeover bid are on this same manhaj and we have evidence to establish this but this will be done in another thread or post insha'allah. There is definitely a manhaj issue behind this agenda and the various grievances these people have compiled together are simply a means to an end, the real driving force is something else.

    • Representatives of this group took their opportunity at the end of June at the New Jersey conference (17th-19th) to approach some of the du'aat to start canvassing and generating support at a wider level (above and beyond what they had initiated within the local community in the weeks and months before). Hence, they approached Abu Khadeejah, Hasan as-Somali, Dawud Adib and they attempted to approach Abul-Hasan Malik. They approached Abu Muhammad al-Maghribi who told them that "Umar and Ahmad are not here so I cannot listen to what you have to say". They tried to offer him a copy of their document but he refused. They also approached Moosaa Richardson in person (and via email/phone) as well as others. In these communications the aim was to gather support and sympathy whilst concealing the true and real intentions they had in the background.

    • While they tried to gain support from the du'at to show to the public they were liasing with Shaykh Waseeullaah who they say advised them to remove the current administration through legal means. The reason for the choice of Shaykh Waseeullaah is fairly obvious to the perceptive reader. They had to use a lot of lies, deception, two-facedness and outright treachery in order to conceal the real agenda while they worked to gain support at various levels (local community, the du'at and allegedly, some of the scholars) which was purely for public relations. To get support from the community, they started canvassing people and asking whether they had any problems with the two brothers they aimed to remove. After this ground level work, they compiled a deceptive document to make it look like the "community" wants change. This is what they took to the du'at. They also tried to contact other du'at overseas under certain pretexts and covers as a means to introduce the issue and attempt to win support and sympathy for their cause. This requires a separate post.

    • Shaykh Muhammad Ramzan al-Haajiree was present in Toronto at TROID in mid-July and this group had a meeting with the Shaykh just before he left. The Shaykh advised them clearly to stop what they are doing, but because this group had invested a lot of time, planning, resources, mobilizing people, doing a lot of groundwork, and were laying down plans for their instances of fraud and false witness, they had no intention whatsoever of heeding the Shaykh's advice. If you had been in that meeting, you would have clearly seen this to be the case from the demeanour, attitude and behaviour of people like Harun Cole towards the Shaykh. It was as if they had to tactfully overcome this hurdle of the Shaykh being there and being an obstacle in front of their plans which they had laid down at least from May. As soon as Shaykh Muhammad Ramzaan had gone, they simply continued full steam ahead, just as they planned all along, and they claimed they were supported by Shaykh Waseeullaah.

    • We should point out here the greatest of evidences which proves their deception and treachery all along. They had already committed paper and electronic filing fraud on May 27th 2011, and this was part of the overall plan they planned to execute in the months to come. This is why they made all the efforts to try and mobilize the local community and to win support from the du'at afterwards. In retrospect, it also explains why they had a very confident and almost arrogant tone.They believed that through these underhand tactics involving deception and paper-fraud, they had already succeeded. So whether the du'at agreed with them or not, it wouldn't matter, they would have already achieved their goal in the background anyway, or so they thought. This also explains their resistance to Shaykh Muhammad Ramzaan in mid-July. They had commenced their paper fraud, electronic filing fraud, false witness (al-qawl al-zoor), and treachery (from as early as late May). They used paper fraud and false witness to freeze the bank accounts, the intended result of which was that all operations are immediately terminated, leading to financial and other types of harm to the community which they cannot have been ignorant of; using paper and electronic filing fraud to change appointed officers of the organization; attempts to gain access to the building by trying to misappropriate keys and access codes; attemps to seize the property (as Shaykh Waseeullaah advised them according to their claim); using paper fraud and false witness to gain control of the domain, hosting etc. They had been hoping that by the support they anticipated, they could move very quickly and succeed in their operations whilst having broad support from the local community and the du'aat and as little obstacles and opposition as possible. And if they got no support, it would not have mattered, because through deception, they would have fulfilled their desired goals anyway. Machiavellian politics practically illustrated at their finest!

    • By Allaah's grace, their treacherous plot failed on almost all counts. Allaah, the Exalted said, "Indeed, Allaah does not cause to prosper, the action of the mischief-makers" (10:81), and as-Sa'dee said in his tafsir, "And thus is the (case) with every mischief-maker upon the earth who contrived a plot or came with trickery, for his action will be invalidated and will perish, and even if his action achieved some distribution (spreading) for a given time, its eventual destination will be its fading away and annihilation."As we stated in an earlier post, they have not succeeded, because Allaah does not support or give fruition to the actions of paper and electronic filing fraud, false-witness (al-qawl az-zoor) deception, treachery, dissimulation, double-facedness, hypocrisy and striving for mischief upon the land.

    • Over the past week, as we started exposing these vile and corrupt activities, their support began to fade, people started abandoning them, those whose names were fraudulently used to claim support for them began to speak out more and more, the community saw the scandal behind the paper fraud, false witness and other traits characteristic of hypocrisy. In just short of a week, their entire house of cards collapsed in and of itself, and now regular members of the community are telling them to "make tawbah to Allaah". Bear in mind this is after all the advice they were given by the du'at, and by Shaykh Muhammad Ramzan to their faces which they wilfully refused.

    This now brings us to recent developments (which shows us how corrupt this group is and how Allaah, the Exalted, has exposed them even more), and they will be exposed even more by Allaah's permission, there is more to come.

    When we realized what had been taking place behind the scenes of paper fraud, and false witness as a means to freeze bank accounts and seize property and assets, we approached a solicitor to seek legal advice about the situation and he gave us certain advice. In a twist of events, after this group and its evil intentions and corruption has been exposed to not just the local community but the whole world in the past week, we learned yesterday that they approached the same solicitor we originally went to for legal advice about the situation. Here is an email we received, (certain details removed) from this solicitor:

    From: [removed]
    Date: 5 August, 2011 4:53:45 PM EDT
    Subject: possible mediation

    Assalamu alaikum,,

    I have been approached about the situation at the mosque by both sides of the ispute (assuming that there is only two) and so I suggest that the two parties try to mediate. I am prepared to offer my services as a mediator at a discounted rate from my regular rate. I understand the other side is willing to have me act a a mediator. Please advise if you are also acceptable and we can proceed with coordinating such sessions.

    [removed] , LL.B., LL.M.
    A little explanation should be provided here to remove any misunderstanding that one might fall into by reading the above email: We never approached this solicitor for any mediation. We first approached him for legal advice on the situation. It just so happened that they went to the same solicitor. This solicitor, seeing two disputing sides, saw this as an opportunity to mediate and help out at a reduced rate. Of course it is business for him, but as he is a Muslim, he just wants to help the situation, so his intentions are good. But no one should misundertand that we are calling for mediation. There is no mediation with mischief-makers. There is only tawbah for them. Why is it that they not accept the advice and mediation of Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Ramzaan, Abul-'Abbaas Moosaa Richardson, Abu 'Abdullaah Hasan as-Somali, Abu Khadeejah, Abu Dihyah Dawud Adib and others. They moved secretly, treacherously, in Toronto and beyond, quietly and privately trying to rally support. Their two-facedness and treachery even reaching the level where whilst their representatives were approaching the du'aat in person in the New Jersey conference (17th-19th June) a representative of TROID was present in the same hotel, completely oblivious to what these people were doing, despite meeting and seeing them face to face during the conference. Only when the walls started falling down around them, to save what remaining face they have with an ever dwindling number of people do they now make false claims of wanting rectification and wanting only good. No one is fooled by this inshaa'allaah.

    With this out of the way we can say: The evil of these people keeps getting deeper and deeper and how their actions are just like what Allaah, the Exalted said of the hypocrites, "And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers." (2:11). After all the paper and electronic filing fraud, deliberate false witness, deception, dissimulation, two-facedness, conniving, plotting they employed, they have now accepted a solicitor to mediate for them and are now reaching out to us to see if we are willing to accept mediation?!! Never by Allaah, there is no mediation with liars, transgressors, perpetrators of fraud and mischief makers who shun and abandon the advice of the du'at and Scholars and seek tribulation in the land. It is no different to what the general folk within the community are saying to the ringleaders, "Just make tawbah..."

    And this is exactly what we say. Make tawbah to Allaah. Allaah has already made vain your plans, and the community and the world has seen the vileness in your actions. You claim rectification but intend mischief. Your actions are not sincere, you have proven to the world you are not sincere and that which is not sincere, never lasts. With nothing but scorn coming in your direction and people leaving you and your cause now fading away and facing annihilation, you should take relief in the fact that you are still in Ramadan which is a month of mercy, and in which you can reach out to your Lord, turn to Him with sincere repentance and seek forgiveness.

    Dear reader: These people never took these steps at the beginning (seeking legal counsel). This would have been a dead end for them, because they had nothing that would stand up, and they knew that in any case. Knowing this, they chose to use the underhanded tactics of paper fraud, deception, two-facedness and so on as a means to effect their plan, which failed miserably, and all praise and gratitude is to Allaah. Their conniving and deception has not stopped. One should not think that this call for mediation is a change of heart from them, because we know the types of people involved in this group. This is just another step they are taking as part of the Machiavellian principle, "the ends justify the means." They are seeking mediation now because it is a last ditch attempt to salvage a badly damaged and ruined takeover bid, and when your mischief and corruption is exposed, the next step is to come across as wanting rectification and mediation. How appropriate is the saying of Allaah, the Exalted, once again:

    إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُصْلِحُ عَمَلَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ

    Indeed, Allaah does not cause to prosper, the action of the mischief-makers (10:81)

    Imam as-Sa'dee commented on this verse:

    And thus is the (case) with every mischief-maker upon the earth who contrived a plot or came with trickery, for his action will be invalidated and will perish, and even if his action achieved some distribution (spreading) for a given time, its eventual destination will be its fading away and annihilation.
    We ask Allaah to relieve the community of the harm and corruption of these people and to put the affairs aright by the end of this blessed month, from His mercy and justice. Ameen. On another note, we have received tremendous material support from the community maashaa'allaah, and we shall explain more at the appropriate time by Allaah's permission.

  3. #23

    Another Brother Reveals How He Advised This Group Early On

    We received this email earlier from one of the brothers in the community (Yusuf bin Frederick):

    Date: 6 August, 2011 4:31:09 PM EDT
    Subject: Fitna

    Two months ago, I was shown a document by the brothers who started this fitnah containing a list of complaints, accusations, and a list of names. I was shocked to see my name on the list and I told them to remove it because I did not agree, and I know only good of Umar and Ahmed. I warned them of the harm, shortsightedness, and damage this would cause. After my name was removed I continued to advise them to leave this fitnah...

    ...How many years have they financially set back the community by freezing bank accounts and seizing websites? It is now ramadan and people can't benefit from the web sites and SubhanAllah you are blocking people from seeking ilm and dawah, not just in Toronto, but from around the world.

    Whoever is still involved in this madness should return the websites and make taubah, the door for repentance is open. Stop harming the dawa, and making the hizbeez rejoice at the community splitting.

    As for the salafis [of the community] we just want things to go back to the way they were. When I first came to the dawah, Troid was in a room the size of a closet. Now we have a masjid, and no one can deny the progress that has been made with Umar and Ahmed managing. I know them to be trustworthy responsible and helpful.

    When I saw this list their were many names and I mistakenly thought I saw Khalid's name. I misinformed him that he was on the list. It was my fault and not a lie or mistake by Khalid or Troid. May ALLAH forgive me and let our community be one again. It is Ramadan the big shayatiin are locked up so what is left but pride.

    Yusuf from the East
    That's a good point we have not made in this thread previously. How many thousands of people from around the world have been prevented from benefiting from the audio lectures, articles and other resources on the website(s) because of the corrupt actions of these people?!

  4. #24
    As salaamualaikum Wa RahmatuLLAH,

    Firstly I bear witness that, with respect to their dealings with the brothers in the United Arab Emirates, I have seen ONLY Khair from TROID in general and then from the brother Umar specifically. May Allah Reward them and Aid them.

    Secondly, To the diseased people in Canada looking to destroy the da'wah: The hypocrisy in your actions and your responses can be smelt till all the way here in the U.A.E. Your arguments are weak and it seems that you are digging deep into the haystack to find any needle you can to poke your brothers with. Fear Allah and repent for your actions.

    Lastly, i thank the brothers at for providing their platform for the much needed clarification for the people.. JazakumuLLAH Khair.

  5. #25

    It is extremely disappointing to see this disagreement and splitting and the harm that it has caused and continues to cause. I ask Allaah that He puts an end to this tribulation and returns the affair to one of unity and harmony, Ameen.

    I read with interest the response of Harun Cole and his associates after following the posts in this thread, hoping to see another side of the story in order to make proper sense of what is going on in this confusion and discord. After reading the third document, I was surprised to see that Harun Cole and the brothers with him used a letter of recommendation written by Ahmad Assing in June 2010 for Said Ali. The purpose of quoting this tazkiyah was to defend Said Ali in his capacity as an elder and senior in the da'wah and to defend his integrity.

    This is the letter:

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    Which is found in the following PDF file: 3who.pdf

    Before continuing, I should say that I do not know Harun Cole or Said Ali, I have never met them or spoken to them and I have no grievance with them and they have not harmed me in anything. Likewise, I do not know any of the others with these brothers except perhaps Maruf Kedir whom I have met and spoken to very briefly. I have had no dealings with them, and nor is there any grievance between me and them, and nor have they harmed me in any way and I hope I have not caused any harm to them in any way, despite the fact that I do not know them.

    After this is clarified, the problem in Harun Cole's position is that by using this letter from Ahmad Assing, it is established that up to 2010 and afterwards Ahmad was the president, and Said Ali was happy to solicit this letter of recommendation from Ahmad Assing in his capacity as president. Just as Harun Cole and the other six writers of the document are happy to use this letter as evidence to argue for the integrity and da'wah efforts of Said Ali, implying they accept Ahmad Assing's writing of this letter in his capacity as president.

    Ahmad wrote that Said Ali was president for five years (until 2000). If Said Ali was happy to accept this letter of recommendation from Ahmad Assing in his capacity as president and showed no objection to the content of the letter which states that he served as president for five years from 1995 (until 2000) and was therefore no longer president, and if Harun Cole and the brothers with him are happy to use this letter as proof to defend the person and integrity of Said Ali, it renders baseless the position taken by Harun Cole and those with him. By hastily using the above letter to defend Said Ali in a subsidiary matter (his historical da'wah efforts and integrity), these brothers have not realized the wider implication it has on their position as a whole. In my view, their position is highly questionable, if not suspicious.

    The reason is their use of this letter leaves them no real choice but to claim Ahmad Assing was appointed fraudulently AFTER this letter of recommendation. This is because you can't approach Ahmad Assing in his capacity as a director or president and ask for a recommendation letter from the organization (TROID) for your own personal and private benefit and at the same time claim that Ahmad Assing's appointment was fraudulent and that he has no legal position in the organization. In fact, it is implied by your action that you acknowledge Ahmad Assing's legitimacy in the organization, otherwise you would not approach him in the first place. Unless of course, you are just a person of self-interests.

    The brothers (Harun Cole and those with him) who wrote these recent documents against Ahmad and Umar stated (2nd document, page 1):

    Readers should note at this point that Umar al-Hashimee has no legal position in this organization. His appointment as a Secretary and Ahmed Assing's appointment as the President were fraudulent, punishable by law.
    The question raised here is when exactly did Ahmad Assing and Umar al-Hashimee's appointments as president and secretary take place? It is upon Ahmad and Umar to provide evidence of the dates of their appointments and not to conceal these facts.

    There are only three situations. a) Ahmad and Umar were appointed fraudulently as Harun Cole and others claim after June 2010 (after writing that letter of recommendation), or b) shortly before writing that letter of recommendation for Said Ali by months, or a year or less or c) a very long time before writing that letter of recommendation (five, seven, ten years). No matter which of these three situations are chosen, they all cause a huge problem for Harun Cole and those with him who have unwittingly used this letter thinking it is in their favour when it in fact undermines their entire position and seriously questions their entire story and their credibility along with it.

    The first option a) is impossible. Since you can't be requesting a letter of recommendation from a president of an organization who hasn't fraudulently appointed himself as president of that organization yet such that he has the position and authority to be writing a letter of recommendation for you. The second option b) is not possible either, because why would Said Ali ask for a letter of recommendation from someone who has just recently fraudulently appointed himself as president? And if it is c) where Ahmad (and Umar) were appointed fraudulently a long time ago (five years, seven years, ten years), the question arises: Why has it taken Said Ali and Harun Cole all those years to claim these appointments were fraudulent? And if that truly was the case, why is it that Said Ali is happy to solicit and receive a letter of recommendation from the supposedly fraudulently appointed president, Ahmad Assing, in 2010? And why is Said Ali happy to put his name to a document in which it is claimed:

    Readers should note at this point that Umar al-Hashimee has no legal position in this organization. His appointment as a Secretary and Ahmed Assing's appointment as the President were fraudulent, punishable by law.
    And from the time that Ahmad and Umar fraudulently appointed themselves as is claimed, where was Said Ali and Harun Cole in all that time. Were they involved with TROID? What were they doing for the da'wah at TROID? Were they involved with a fraudulently appointed director and secretary all that time and did not see it fit to start asking questions until 2011? What does the Salafi community in Toronto know of Harun's and Said Ali's involvement in the day to day runnings at TROID? If it is established that they continued to have involvement from the time that Ahmad and Umar were alleged to have been appointed fraudulently, then it undermines their position. And if it is established they had very little, if no involvement at all, and for all that time showed absolutely no rejection, and Said Ali was happy to solicit a letter of recommendation in 2010, then this puts a question mark over the motives of Harun Cole and Said Ali.

    I ask each of Harun Cole, Ahmad Assing and Umar al-Haashimee to provide evidence for the exact dates of their appointments, so the relevance (or irrelevance) of these very important question becomes known, because through them I believe the truthful will be distinguished from the dishonest and untruthful.

    This is just one issue (of many I have come across) which on its own, makes the position of Harun Cole and those with him highly questionable if not outright suspicious. If they have a good and acceptable answer to this, then alhamdulillaah, it is a misunderstanding on my behalf, and I would very much like to hear the explanation so that the questions raised here become non-issues. And if there are no reasonable answers, there is strong reason to doubt the motives of Harun Cole and those with him.

    Finally, I advise myself firstly and then all the brothers and sisters to fear Allaah in this month, to correct and rectify their intentions and seek nothing but Allaah's pleasure, and to be truthful in every way, in intentions, speech and actions, and know that Allaah is watcher of what is both seen and hidden.
    -== abu.iyaad =-

  6. #26
    Assalam alikum wa rahmatullah wa baraktuh,

    Jazakum allah khairan for the continued clarification and announcements. How is the status of the masjid right now? Is it open and running as usual? I see that the website is still down, is there anything we can help you brothers with?

    May allah protect all of the TRUE SALAFI organizations and safeguard them from the attacks ... Ameen.
    Abu Husam Mouhanad Samir Al-Ramli
    Farmington Hills, Michigan, USA

  7. #27
    I have been associated with TROID since 1997 in the way of providing graphic support for the logo identity, book covers, flyers, websites, book covers etc. Although I don't live in Toronto, and cannot speak for day to day activities or inner organization details, I have had close contact with those involved with the current situation on both sides (some more than others) since 1997. What I found strange in the response from Harun Cole is that he constantly made reference to Umar Hashimee's residence in London, ON. The reason I found this strange is because Jamaica is quite a lot further away, and in the late 1990's Harun Cole left Canada for several years to peruse a business venture that included myself. Harun Cole was active in da'wah activities in Jamaica, but had no responsibility or connection to TROID as far as I'm aware. I remember the state of TROID when he left, it was reduced to a closet space type of area with no facilities and mounting dept. The hizbees in Toronto actually had a nick name for TROID back then, they called it Dis-TROID. As for other individuals utilized in this take over, Khalil Brown, has been MIA for several years before Harun even went to Jamaica so why is he currently significant? Likewise, Said Ali and anyone who has spent time in Toronto knew that Said did go through a trial with his emaan and was not involved with TROID for several years as well. So to attack Umar on this is quite hypocritical and brings the claimants integrity under question.

    Another amazing claim is the misappropriation of funds, perhaps more clarity will be shed on the part of the current administration but one thing I can say is that usually the result of abuse of funds is a decrease in the facilities and financial up keep of the building and organization as a whole. This is because greed usually spirals out of control. I think anyone here in N. America who is truthful would agree, TROID is the most organized, financially stable, clean and proficient (in terms of quality of printed materials) Salafi markaz in N. America. TROID in it's most recent state (before disruption) had an excellent infrastructure, modern and effective. Quite amazing if you had seen the fall of TROID under the old leadership to its successfulness in the current years and all success is from Allah alone. In the USA we have been accustom to expensive gatherings of knowledge, with long drawn out sessions of fundraising, not so has been the case with TROID's beneficial programs. Furthermore, the exaggerated attack on an "outrageously expensive laptop" shows the sort of short sightedness the accusers have in terms of running an effective organization. The MacBook Pro that Umar has is the same as mine, a highly professional machine which is used for cutting edge production of graphics, video and audio. Recently someone was complaining about the poor audio of the Shaykh Ramzan visit to Toronto, why is that? Because the MacBook was stolen from Umar just before the program took place. Audio quality has never been an issue with TROID under the effort of Umar who is technically savvy and has insight on the importance quality. If our Salafi organizations and masaajid do not invest in such advance technology, our dawah will be behind as it is in many areas in the US. Lack of insight to this is an indication of incompetence on the part of these individuals, and Allah knows best. There is a lot more that could be said, but I think further clarifications from the members of TROID will do better then what I have to say, but I would say from my experience and business partnership with Harun Cole, if I were one of the complainants, I definitely would not support this individual to be in charge of TROID as I'm sorry to say but the truth needs to be said, he is incompetent for any leadership role and I fear that the term Dis-TROID would come to surface again under the Harun Cole administration. We seek the truth, so may Allah aid those upon it and expose and destroy those upon other than it.
    Abu Faruq AbdisSalaam al-Canadi

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    Abu Iyaad, we thank you for your feedback. Below is a document that is issued by the government of Ontario (Canada) called an annual return. I think we already posted it earlier in this thread. It shows the government's records in the year 2005. It shows that

    A) Ahmad Assing was President in 2005 (and thereafter) and was appointed as such on April 12th 2001.

    B) 'Umar al-Irlundee (Anthony) was Secretary in 2005 (and thereafter) and was also appointed on April 12th 2001.

    This is evidence that both of us (Ahmad, Umar) had been president and secretary respectively for 10 years, 1 month and 15 days before paper and electronic filing fraud was committed on 27th May 2011 by Harun Cole's group.

    I hope this answers the question and addresses the concern and provides clear-cut evidence that we were on legal paperwork for the organisation in the above capacities since 2001 according to government records. Also for your information, Harun Cole has never been on any legal paperwork, unless he can prove otherwise. Mikael Wilson and Vernon Brown resigned from the organization, we have their resignation letters dated 1997 and they had little connection to the da'wah from that point onwards. Said Ali left the organization more than ten years ago and is not on any legal documentation since then. If he claims he is, we would like him to show us the proof. Said Ali knows inside his soul he has no proof and he knows full well he left the organization. The community here can also bear witness that these people had little involvement with the da'wah from that time onwards.

    We hope some way or some how to get the da'wah rolling again online with Allaah's help and the supplication of our Muslim brothers and sisters. ameen. We would also like to thank the global community for their support and for their supplications. May Allaah reward you all. As for the ground level alhamdulillah, nothing has changed. The community is together, tarawih prayer at the masjid is well attended and these brothers are now more or less isolated, whatever support they did manage to get has dwindled and faded away. We anticipate it is just a matter of a week or two, if not days, when they start infighting and pointing fingers at each other to escape the blame, and Allaah's words in Surah Yunus, "Indeed, Allaah does not cause to prosper, the action of the mischief-makers" (10:81) take effect.

  9. #29
    Just to make a correction on my part, Harun's departure to Jamaica took place in the early 2000's, it was a mistake on my part to say late 1990's. However, it still remains to be several years back. And just for further clarification, Khalil Brown had disappeared from TROID a few years prior Harun's departure. At any rate, these individuals were clearly void of TROID involvement for several years. And Allah Ta'ala knows best.
    Abu Faruq AbdisSalaam al-Canadi

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    We are pleased to announce the imminent launch of Troid.Ca
    Jazakum allah khairan.
    Abu Husam Mouhanad Samir Al-Ramli
    Farmington Hills, Michigan, USA

  12. #32

    Jazaakumullaahu khayran for that information, I didn't see it at first, but the document mentions the original date of appointment as 12th April 2001. If Umar and Ahmad have been appointed officers since 2001 and this is all official and legal and documented in government paperwork, and the da'wah has been operating like this for ten years, and this is known by Harun Cole and Said Ali, (which appears to be the case from the surrounding circumstantial facts), frankly, I can't find any words to describe their actions except very negative ones without actually saying them. Their unwitting use of this letter of recommendation for Said Ali in their rebuttal undermines their position, and it looks like Allaah caused these brothers not to see this despite the fact it is obvious to the onlooker.

    When these brothers identified themselves as the writers and signatories to these recent documents which present their side of the story, they mentioned how long they have been with TROID. This must have been to help build confidence in the people for the cause they intended to pursue but it is something that works against them, not for them and undermines their position too. This is the list here as I found in their 11th document (I've removed some of the names, except those who are already the subject of discussion in this thread):

    • Said Ali (founder of TROID)
    • Aron (Haroon) Cole (founder of TROID)
    • [name removed] (approximately 13 years with TROID, ex-Imaam, ex-Shoorah member and ex-Khateeb (until recently))
    • [name removed] (approximately 9 years with TROID, ex-Shoorah member, ex-volunteer in several departments)
    • [name removed] (approximately 7 years with TROID, ex-volunteer in TROID store and Audio department)
    • [name removed] (approximately 8 years with TROID, ex-volunteer)
    • [name removed] (approximately 5 years with TROID, ex-volunteer)
    • [name removed] (approximately 5 years with TROID, ex-volunteer)

    Accordingly, every person in this list has spent at least five years with TROID. This means that each and every single one of these brothers spent at least five years at TROID, knowing full well that Ahmad and Umar are president and secretary respectively, happily working alongside them for all that time (between 5 to 10 years), interacting with them, spending time with them, co-operating with them, never making any such claim that they are making now in 2011. They served in the capacity of imaam or shooraa member or volunteer or worked in the store or gave khutbah for these respective time periods (five to ten years from after April 2001) and they never said anything about Ahmad and Umar having been appointed fraudulently as far as I am aware. Said Ali even solicited a letter of recommendation from Ahmad in his capacity as president in June 2010, which is less than a year before these recent activities commenced from what I have gathered so far. These brothers were happy to use this letter of reccommendation to defend Said Ali in their recent documents not realizing that it undermines their cause. Hence, in my view, when each one of them put their name to this statement:

    Readers should note at this point that Umar al-Hashimee has no legal position in this organization. His appointment as a Secretary and Ahmed Assing's appointment as the President were fraudulent, punishable by law.
    I cannot see this except as false witness, Allaahul-Musta'aan. Allaah, Exalted said:

    وَالَّذِينَ لَا يَشْهَدُونَ الزُّورَ

    And those who do not witness false speech

    And He also said:

    فَاجْتَنِبُوا الرِّجْسَ مِنَ الْأَوْثَانِ وَاجْتَنِبُوا قَوْلَ الزُّورِ

    And shun the abomination of idols and shun false witness (22:30)

    And Ibn Katheer narrates, regarding this verse:

    وقال سفيان الثوري ، عن عاصم بن أبي النجود ، عن وائل بن ربيعة ، عن ابن مسعود أنه قال : تعدل شهادة الزور بالشرك بالله ، ثم قرأ هذه الآية
    And Sufyan al-Thawri said, from Aasim bin Abi al-Nujud, from Waa'il bin Rabi'ah, from Ibn Mas'uud that he said, "False witness is put on the same level as Shirk with Allaah", then he recited this verse.
    And Abu Bakrah (radiallaahu anhu) reported:

    قال رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وسلم-: (ألا أنبئكم بأكبر الكبائر؟) ثلاثاً، قلنا: بلى يا رسول الله، قال: الشرك بالله، وعقوق الوالدين، وكان متكئاً فجلس، فقال: (ألا وقول الزور، ألا وشهادة الزور) فما زال يكررها حتى قلنا: ليته سكت"
    The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Shall I not inform you of the greatest of the major sins?" We said, "Of course O Messenger of Allaah." He said, "Associating partners with Allaah, being undutiful to one's parents," [saying this whilst] he was leaning, but then he sat up and said, "And indeed, false speech, indeed, false witness" and he never ceased repeating this until we said, "If only he became silent." Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
    And I fear the following, the statement of the Messenger (alayhis salaam), with respect to them and their fasting, may Allaah protect me and the Muslims from it:

    من لم يدع قول الزور والعمل به فليس لله حاجة في أن يدع طعامه وشرابه
    "Whoever does not leave off making false speech and acting upon it, then Allaah is not in need of him leaving his food and drink." Reported by al-Bukhari.
    I think these brothers have unfortunately been greatly misled in their actions and must stop and seriously reflect upon this entire episode for the benefit of their own souls. I am only pointing out what is very obvious at first glance from what these brothers have written themselves. They have undermined their own cause without anyone else even needing to do so. I ask Allaah to end this discord, to rectify the affairs, to strengthen the da'wah of TROID in the call to Tawhid, Sunnah and Salafiyyah and to make it even bigger, stronger and better than what it was before this discord, Ameen.
    -== abu.iyaad =-

  13. #33

    Troid.Ca is Now Live!

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  14. #34

    Is the Time to Ask For Islaah After the Plot Has Failed Miserably?

    The past few days have seen some interesting developments. After planning their doomed and disastrous takeover bid (using deception, paper and electronic fraud, false witness and attempted theft of assets of the organization) from at least May of this year, these brothers are now letting off their steam one by one in very revealing emails (indicating frustration) that are being sent amongst themselves and to us. "We only wanted islaah" is the slogan now after three months of a very determined and concerted effort to achieve their goals using very underhand and dishonest tactics despite being advised by those du'aat whom they approached and despite being advised by Shaykh Muhammad Ramzaan.

    Dear readers! We do not want this to go on any longer and we don't want to spend time writing these posts away from other more important things. But the continued audacity of these people and the fact they continue to play games is something we cannot remail silent about. If they simply said, "We make tawbah, we are sorry for harming the da'wah, we apologise" alhamdulillah, the chapter is closed. Instead we see more games. One by one they appear to be jumping off the ship and finding ways to justify their actions or to deflect blame.

    They had three simultaneous operations taking place.

    The first one
    was the Machiavellian one involving fraud, deception, dissimulation where they tried to game the Canadian legal system by paper and electronic filing fraud which they had commenced at least before May 27th. This was being done behind the scenes and was kept under their own noses.

    The second one was the public relations operation where they were building up support and sympathy from the public community and by sending delegates to present their case to the du'aat both here in the West and in Saudi. Pay attention, this is after their filing fraud behind the scenes in May. Knowing well what they were planning behind the scenes they began approaching the du'aat, a clear sign of deliberate dishonesty.

    The third one was to try and get something from one of the Shaykhs. Because people like Tahir Farooq (a main instigator and primary ringleader) are diseased with the Madeenah.Com disease and are upon the manhaj of people like Tahir Wyatt, Nadir Ahmad, Ahrar Muhamad Sharif and others, they chose to approach Shaykh Wasiullaah who they allege gave them a fatwa to seize property.

    Now that this operation has failed miserably, and clear evidence of their dishonesty is being pointed out to them publicly and in private, we can see the chameleon-like changes taking place. They are bringing out the excuses, statements like "We only wanted islaah..", "We recognize we made some mistakes...", "We should not have involved certain people...", "How can islaah be made when we are being attacked..." Signs of desperation and despair. Didn't you think of these things when you were deeply involved in deceptive actions behind the scenes and showing two faces to the du'aat, claiming to seek advice and rectification, yet working mischief in the background with an already calculated, determined plan of action?

    The filing fraud did not work and failed. Despite the fact that bank accounts were frozen, it has not affected the running of the center, masjid or da'wah significantly, even if we had a period of closure for a few days, and even though we have not had access to those funds, the community and others have stepped in to help tremendously (may Allaah reward them)! This band of people failed to take over the domain and website completely, even though they managed to deprive tens of thousands of people from benefiting from the sites for a few weeks. They failed to seize property. Whatever support they managed to get from the community dwindled and faded about thirty times as rapidly as it took them to acquire it in the first place when the community realized their dishonesty. On almost all counts they have completely failed. "Indeed, Allaah does not cause to prosper, the action of the mischief-makers" (10:81)

    There are no options left except to play the weak, downtrodden, oppressed party who only ever wanted islaah and who is now being wrongly attacked!! "How on earth can we have islaah when we are being vilified" they protest! We are not going to accuse each and every single one of them individually for being guilty of each and every thing that has transpired, but each one of them have a share in certain things even if they may be free of others. They are all guilty and responsible for this mischief to certain degrees and they all know the particular part and role they have played. There is no doubt Shaytan was part of their group. He loves discord and mischief and is very glad to be the unofficial, unannounced and uninvited partner in any such venture. If they had sincere intentions and truly wanted islaah from the very beginning, they would have made absolutely sure Shaytan was not going to gatecrash. From the looks of things, they left the door wide open and cared little. Now that they have realized this, these emails are being circulated. But still no sign of remorse and saying sorry for the harm they wrought and making tawbah for this evil conduct. They are trying to brush everything they have done under the carpet, and making a claim of wanting islaah. That is not the story they took to the du'aat. Rather, they went to the du'aat trying to get support for our removal with nothing about islaah (in Mid June). They were given advice by the brothers and Shaykh Muhammad Ramzaan which they squarely rejected and now they say "We want islaah!"

    At the end of it all, it did nothing to harm us or the da'wah except for creating a little inconvenience. The only true harm they have brought is upon themselves. Out of pity and mercy, we ask Allaah to remove them from the blindness they are in and grant them success in making tawbah for this evil conduct.

    We are continuously grateful and thankful to Allaah throughout these unfortunate proceedings and we are also grateful and thankful to the community who have offered tremendous support both locally and globally and both spiritually and also materially. We can only say that the da'wah, even though it had a hiccup, has not been harmed in the least alhamdulillah, and we are determined to make it stronger. We are in need of your supplications, jazaakumullaah.

  15. #35
    Alhamdulillaah hamdan katheeran tayyiban mubaarakan feeh,

    It is a great relief to be informed of this good news.

    This shocking fiasco was deeply disturbing to me, especially since I was one of the multiple people who were taken advantage of by this misguided band of "activists" (when they added my name in falsehood to their 'petition') even though I'm on another side of the continent with regards to Canada. Alhamdulillaah, distance is not an issue when an oppressed slave supplicates to his Lord.

    I hope they stop worrying about saving their faces in front of the people and concern themselves with saving their faces from the Fire. If they truly want to remove humiliation from themselves, then they should know that Allaah endues with honor whom He wills and He humiliates whom He wills. In His Hand is the good, and He is able to do all things.

    May Allaah rectify our condition and our affairs and protect us from every evil mannerism and from bad character and from being deceived or deceiving others.

  16. #36

    Our brothers within the community of Troid

    Allaah has said,

    O you who believe! Endure and be more patient..
    (Sooratul-Imraan 200)

    Only those who are patient shall receive their reward in full, without reckoning.
    (Sooratuz-Zumar 10)

    And verily, whosoever shows patience and forgives, that would truly be from the things recommended by Allah.
    (Sooratash-Shoora 43)

    Seek help in patience and As-Salat (the prayer). Truly, Allah is with As-Sabirun (the patient).
    (Sooratul-Baqarah 153)

    And surely, We shall try you till We test those who strive hard (for the Cause of Allah) and As-Sabirun (the patient)
    (Sooratul-Muhammad 31)

    Abu Sa`id and Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
    That the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi was-Sallam) said: "Never a believer is stricken with a discomfort, an illness, an anxiety, a grief or mental worry or even the pricking of a thorn but Allah will expiate his sins on account of his patience".

    [Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

    Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
    The Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi was-Sallam) passed by a woman who was crying over a grave and said, "Fear Allah and be patient.'' She said, "Away from me! My calamity has not befallen you and you are not aware of it.'' The woman was later told that it was the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi was-Sallam) (who had advised her). She came to his door where she found no doorkeeper. She said, "(I am sorry) I did not know you.'' Messenger of Allah (Sallallaahu alayhi was-Sallam) said, "Patience is (becoming) only at the first (stroke) of grief".

    [Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

    Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
    That The Messenger of Allah (Sallallaahu alayhi was-Sallam) said, "He whom Allah intends good, He makes him to suffer from some affliction."


    Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
    The Messenger of Allah (Sallallaahu alayhi was-Sallam) said, "When Allah intends good for His slave, He punishes him in this world, but when He intends an evil for His slave, He does not hasten to take him to task but calls him to account on the Day of Resurrection.''


    'Abdullah bin Abu Aufa (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
    The Messenger of Allah (Sallallaahu alayhi was-Sallam) at one time when he confronted the enemy, and was waiting for the sun to set, stood up and said, "O people! Do not long for encountering the enemy and supplicate to Allah to grant you security. But when you face the enemy, show patience and steadfastness; and keep it in mind that Jannah lies under the shade of the swords.'' Then he invoked Allah, saying, "O Allah, Revealer of the Book, Disperser of the clouds, Defeater of the Confederates, put our enemy to rout and help us in over-powering them."

    [Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

    Alhamdulillaah our mashaykh have advised the Salafi's in USA, Canada, UK & Europe (& maybe elsewhere for that matter) to work alongside our brothers at Troid & likewise vice-versa! It is clear they have firm & established links with the Scholars of ahlus-Sunnah and refer back to them.

    So we ask our brothers at Troid to welcome this fitnah as it's proof they are upon the straight path in calling. A known Salafi Daa'ee (of whom I forget who it was) said "...should we i.e Ahlus-Sunnah NOT expect to be harmed when The Prophets & The Messengers were harmed...?"

    History brings forth the present & from what we have seen whether in USA, UK & EUROPE & ARAB states is that when these people (the people who hide behind Salafiyyah) are always exposed in the end and shamed. Which concluded to those whom they fought against either with lies, deceipt or even treachery have become stronger... So we ask Allaah to make our brothers at stronger through this experience.

    Allaahumma aameen!
    Last edited by Abu.Lubaynah.Abdul.Ghanee; 08-14-2011 at 10:33 PM. Reason: PM was sent saying I didn't edit: PBUH to Sallallaahu alayhi was-Sallam 2 out of 7 times...
    When a man knows his ownself, speech of the people is of no benefit to him!

  17. #37

    From Lying to Stealing - Islaah (So-Called Rectification) As You Have Never Experienced Before!

    All praise is due to Allaah. We would like to update our brothers and sisters on the latest situation considering that we have tremendous support from the global community. We continue to ask Allaah to reward you all. As you know, we have got the website functional again on, and we are slowly taking care of the financial obligations of the center and masjid after being thrown in debt on account of the evil actions of the aforementioned party. While not damaging our da'wah efforts, it has caused some inconvenience which by Allaah's aid we shall overcome shortly. In the meantime we are also moving ahead with the da'wah walhamdulillaah.

    As for the situation right now is one of deadlock and the registrar has stated that it requires a court decision. We have come to learn that Harun Cole, Said Ali and associates have used as much deception and underhanded tactics they were able to, because the domain was the only real thing they had going for them, until that also became a setback for them when it was disabled and locked. In order to deceive the registrar into supporting their side Harun Cole, Said Ali or those with them were stealing from our mail box. In fact to pull off the various paper and filing frauds they were involved in, they were in need of paperwork like utility bills etc. This explains why they started stealing our post. We actually did notice a few weeks back that post was not being received. When speaking to the domain registrar it was revealed that Harun Cole and associates stole a recently dated Enbridge gas bill from our mail box and presented it as evidence that they are responsible for paying bills! This was to convince the registrar that they are the real owners of the domain!

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    This, by Allaah, is utterly despicable and it shows how low people are willing to go in order to follow their lusts and desires. They know inside their souls they have had no practical role in the running of the center and masjid since the time they left, and to steal what does not belong to them and which they have no right to establishes them as thieves in addition to liars and fraudsters. Now we know what the Shariah says about stealing, what does Canadian law state about this action?

    3. Mail-related Offences (clause 6)

    The postal system is a gold mine of personal information. Through it pass bank and credit card statements, a wide variety of government documents, and pre-approved credit applications. The theft of mail is thus becoming a favourite activity for those who want to obtain identity information illegally.

    At the present time, section 356(1)(a)(i) of the Code deals with the theft of any thing sent by post, after it is deposited at a post office and before it is delivered. Under clause 6(1), a person will also be committing a theft of mail if he or she steals a thing after it has been delivered but before it is in the possession of the addressee (new section 356(1)(a)(i) of the Code).

    In addition to stealing mail, some criminals will illegally divert another persons mail. They do this by submitting a forged change of address notice to a body that has sent out a statement (for example a bank or credit company) or by using Canada Posts general change of address (forwarding) service. In addition to obtaining a host of personal data, such criminals can also gain time for pursuing fraudulent activities without the victims' knowledge. Clause 6(1) tackles this problem by creating the offence of fraudulently redirecting mail (new section 356(1)(c) of the Code).

    This provision also creates the offence of making, possessing or using a copy of a Canada Post mailbox or other key with intent to commit a mail-related offence (new paragraph 356(1)(a.1) of the Code). The Codealready covers the theft of such a key.(26)

    The mail theft offences in the Code are treated as indictable offences. Clause 6(2) makes mail-related offences hybrid offences. The maximum sentence remains 10 years' imprisonment.
    Further, consider this dear Muslim! Because they have stolen the bill, we cannot pay it. And if it is not paid, then we will incur interest! So either the thief pays the bill, otherwise if we receive a penalty of interest on an outstanding bill, we will post it here so the world can see exactly what the definition of islaah (so claimed rectification) is with Harun Cole, Said Ali, Tahir Farooq, Ahmad Geddy, Maruf Kedir, Yaqub Amadei, Yerbol Kerimov and Hamzah Beyle who are the group collectively involved in and colluding in paper and electronic filing fraud, deception, dissimulation, two-facedness, and now added to their portfolio is stealing! At least one of them is a thief for sure, and maybe more if there was collusion. We would like to see how much taqwaa each one of them has by seeing which one of them has the manhood and courage to identify the thief (or thieves) amongst them and bring him (or them) to justice and to disavow themselves from this action! What a way to further slaughter your reputation after it has already been suicided - by entering oneself into the ranks of thieves! Or do they feel these types of actions are perfectly justified because Shaykh Wasiullah (allegedly, as they claim) advised them "to take possession of the property of TROID..."

    From: Tahir Farooq <>
    Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 5:48 PM

    As per the advice of our noble Shaykh Wasiullah Abass to take possession of the property of TROID (books, tapes, etc.)...
    Our complaint is to Allaah, and Allaah will indeed establish justice.

  18. #38
    Assalam alikum wa rahmatullah.

    Jazakum allah khairan for the continued exposure of those individuals.
    Abu Husam Mouhanad Samir Al-Ramli
    Farmington Hills, Michigan, USA

  19. #39

    Shaykh Ubayd al-Jaabiree's Advice To The Brothers at Troid

    Play audio:

    Arabic transcript:

    من عبيد ابن عبد الله ابن سليمان الجابري إلي فضيلة الأخ عمر الإرلاندي و إخوانه أعضاء مجلس الإدارة في مسجد الفرقان, تريد بالكندا.
    السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته...
    و بعد...
    فإني أحمد الله إليكم أن بلغنا هذا و إياكم الشهر شهر رمضان ,الشهر العظيم المبارك الذي يتنافس فيه المؤمنون في الصالحات رجاء مضاعفة الحسنات و تكفير السيئات و رفع الدرجات.
    أذكركم أبنائي بما كنتم عليه في سابق عهدكم منذ السنوات من التعاون على البر و التقوى و إسهام جيد في نشر السنة في مدينتكم و بما بلغني عنكم من الثناء الحسن و ذكر الجميل بين إخوانكم أهل سنة.
    أحذركم بنيي من نزغات الشيطان و حظوظ النفس.
    قال الله تعالى:
    ﴿ و قل لعبادي يقولون التي هي أحسن إن الشيطان ينزغ بينهم إن الشيطان كان للإنسان عدوا مبينا﴾
    (الإسراء: 53)
    بنيي الكرام نصيحتي لكم بإجتماع كلمتكم على ما كنتم عليه من التعاون في خدمة المسجد. و قد بلغني من الثقات أنن الأخ عمر الإرلاندي هو مفوض من قبل بقية إخوانه أعضاء مجلس الإدارة بإدارة هذا المسجد و التعقيب على معاملات الرسمية و كان بقية إخوانه معاونين له.
    هذا ما أنصحكم به و أذكركم به و أوصيكم العودة إليه. و أن لا تغتروا بالفتانين, فأينما وجدوا فإنهم يشعلون نار الفتنة و يقذفون في الصدور العداوة و البغضاء حتى تتفرق كلمة المتحابين في ذات الله و المتآلفين في ذات الله. و يكذبون على بعض أهل العلم في سبيل ذالك لا سيما من ليس عنده علم بأحوال الناس و ليس عنده استعداد لتحقيق في الأمر الباعث علي الفتنة.
    بالختام أقول لكم إذا أشكل عليكم أمر من ألأمور؛ فسارعوا برفع ما أشكل عليكم و خشيتم منه أن يحدث فرقة و تفككا إلى من تثقون به من أهل العلم. و أنا على استعداد - إن شاء الله - للنظر فيما يبلغني من قضاياكم منكم شخصيامشافهة أو من طريق بعض أهل السنة الثقات. و سوف تجدون مني - إن شاء الله - اسهاما في حلها بما يرضي الجميع.
    و أسأل الله الكريم رب العرش العظيم أن يعصمنا وإياكم بالسنة و يجنبنا الفتن. و صلى الله و سلم على نبينا محمد و على آله و صحبه أجمعين.
    أخوكم في الله عبيد ابن عبد الله ابن سليمان المدرس بالجامعة الإسلامية بالمدينة النبوية سابقا
    و كان تسجيل هذه الرسالة: بعد فجر يوم الجماعة الثاني العشر من شهر رمضان عام اثنين و ثلاثين و أربعمائة و ألف و الموافق لثاني عشر من أغسطس عام أحد عشر و ألفين.
    و السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته.

    English translation:

    From Ubayd bin Abdillaah Ibn Sulayman al-Jaabiree to the respected brother, Umar al-Irlandee and his brothers, members of the administration of Masjid al-Furqaan, Troid, Canada.

    As Salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaah wa barakaatu, to proceed:

    I [convey] praise [of] Allaah to you in that this month has reached us and you, the month of Ramadan, the great blessed month in which the believers compete in righteous deeds hoping for multiplication of deeds, expiation of sins and raising of ranks.

    I remind you my sons with what you used to be upon in prior times, since many years (ago), of cooperation upon righteousness and piety and good participation in spreading the Sunnah in your city and with whatever has reached me of good praise and beautiful mention between you brethren [from] Ahl al-Sunnah.

    I caution you, my sons from the whisperings of the Shaytan and the the desires (hudhoodh) of the soul. Allaah,, the Exalted said, "And say to my servants that they speak with that which is best. Indeed Shaytan does sow discord between them, Shaytan is a clear enemy to man" (17:53).

    My noble sons, my advice to you is to unite your word upon what you used to be upon of cooperation in aiding the mosque. It has reached me from trustworthy (people) that the brother Umar al-Irlandee has been delegated by his brothers, members of the administration, to oversee this mosque and to oversee the main activities, and the rest of his brothers were cooperating with him [in this regard].

    This is what I advise you and remind you with, and I advise you to return to this (affair), and that you should not be deceived by the mischief-makers, for wherever they are found, they kindle the fire of tribulation, and they throw enmity and hatred into the hearts until the word of those who love each other for the sake of Allaah, and show affection for the sake of Allaah is split. And they lie upon some of the people of knowledge as a means to that (end), especially to the one who has no knowledge of the (true and real) conditions of the people and he is not prepared to verify the true and real motive behind the tribulation.

    In closing, I say to you that when an affair amongst the affairs becomes problematic for you, then rush to raise whatever has become problematic for you, and which you fear might bring about separation and splitting, to whomever you trust from the people of knowledge. I am prepared personally - if Allaah wills - to look at whatever has reached me about your affairs, directly, or through some of the trustworthy of Ahl al-Sunnah. And you will find me - if Allah wills - prepared to resolve them with what satisfies all.

    I ask Allaah, the Generous, the Lord of the Mighty Throne, that He fortifies us and you with the Sunnah, and makes us far-removed from tribulations. May Allaah send prayers and peace upon our Prophet Muhammmad, his family, and all his companions.

    Your brother for the sake of Allaah, Ubayd bin Abdillaah bin Sulayman, former teacher at the Islamic University of al-Madinah al-Nabawiyyah.

    The recording of this message was done after Fajr (prayer) on the day of Jumu'ah, 12th of Ramadan of the year 1432H corresponding to 12th August 2011.

    Was salaamu alaykum warahmatullaah.
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    Shaykh Ubayd, may Allah preserve him, mentioned:

    In closing, I say to you that when an affair amongst the affairs becomes problematic for you, then rush to raise whatever has become problematic for you, and which you fear might bring about separation and splitting, to whomever you trust from the people of knowledge...
    This statement shows the people of knowledge are not interested in calling to themselves. Rather, their concern is the benefit of the Muslims and the truth being upheld.

    May Allah protect the scholars from the tongues of oppressors!

    Your Brother,

    Abu Adam


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