View Full Version : Is it a Condition to Advise the Opposer before Warning against him? by Shaikh Ahmad Bazmool

07-02-2011, 07:52 PM
Bismillaah Al-Hamdulillaah wa salatu wa salaamu 'ala rasulullaah

Amma ba'd

Question: Is it a condition to advise the opposer before warning from him, because some people after they look at the type of warning, they say to you did you advice him first? The person spreads some evil ideology that could sometimes make you rush to warn against him.

Shaikh Ahmad Bazmool (hafidhahullaah) answered:

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Amma ba'ad

If an individual makes an error and his error does not spread, then it is best to advice him in secret and to direct him to good, so that he may make Tawbah (repentance) and return on his own. If he is advised in secret and he does not return from his error, then rebuke and criticize him openly and clarify his error in opposition to the truth.

As for if his error has already spread amongst the people, then he is refuted openly and if he is able to advise him secretly, then he can do that as well.

As for the saying that it is "Waajib (obligatory) to advice him secretly before advising him publicly," then this saying is in opposition to the Manhaj (methodology) of the Salaf. So when we look into the Manhaj of the Salaf, (we see) when an error reached them from amongst the errors, is that they immediately rebuked the error and they refuted it. They didn't say, "we will wait until we advise him in secret" or say "did you guys advise him before asking." It has not been narrated from the Salaf the likes of this. It has only been narrated from them - may Allaah reward them with good - their truthful actions, rebuking the error right away, and Allaah knows best.

Translated by: Aboo Zayd Muhammad ibn Abdillah ibn Sheikh-Elmi
Arabic source: http://www.sahab.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=108091

09-07-2011, 11:15 PM
Bismillaah Al-Hamdulillaah wa salatu wa salaamu 'ala rasulullaah
Establishing the Proof upon the Innovators

Question: Our Shaykh, may Allaah preserve you, there is a question that passes around the students of kowledge and that is: Concerning the one who fell into innovation or innovations, is it a condition that the proof is established against him so that he is declared an innovator or is that not a condition? Benefit us, may Allaah reward you.

Shaykh Rabee' answered: All praise is due to Allaah and may Salaat and Salaam be upon Allaah's Messenger, upon his family, his companions and whoever followed his guidance, to proceed:

Then it is known regarding [the manhaj of] Ahl us-Sunnah that the one who falls into a nullifier [of Islaam (mukaffir)] is not to be declared a disbeliever until the proof is established upon him.

As for the one who falls into innovation then [he is] of [various] types:

The first: The people of innovation such as the Rawaafid, the Khawaarij, the Jahmiyyah, the Qadariyyah, the Mu`tazilah, the Soofiyyah, the Qubooriyyah, the Murji'ah and whoever is put alongside them [from the contemporaries] such as the Ikhwaan and Tableegh and their likes.

So regarding them, the Salaf did not specify establishment of the proof [upon them] as a condition for judging them with innovation. Hence, it is said about the Raafidee, "Innovator" and about the Khaarijee it is said, "Innovator" and so on, regardless of whether the proof has been established upon them or not.

The second: The one who is from Ahl us-Sunnah and fell into a manifest innovation such as the saying of the creation of the Qur'aan, or [the innovation of] al-Qadr, or the view of the Khawaarij and other than that, so this one is declared Innovator and the action of the Salaf [towards the Innovators] is applied to him.

The third: Whoever is from Ahl us-Sunnah and is known with adhereing to the truth, and he falls into a subtle, hidden innovation (bid'ah khafiyyah). Even if such a one has passed away then it is not permissible to declare him an Innovator, rather he is mentioned with goodness, and if he is alive, then is advised and the truth is made clear to him, and haste is not to be shown in declaring him Innovator.

If he persists [upon what he fell into] then he is declared an Innovator.

Written by Rabee' bin Haadee 'Umayr al-Madkhalee
on 24th Ramadaan, 1424H

Source: Sahab.Net, via http://maktabah-alfawaaid.blogspot.com/2011/09/establishing-proof-upon-innovators.html